xScope Problem

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Paul Costen

20 Feb, 2012 05:02 PM

When defining custom screen configurations, is there a way to create certain screen options as well? When designing for broadcast, I must adhere to center cut safe rules—for when widescreen content is shown on a 4:3 tv.

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  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by Gedeon on 21 Feb, 2012 03:08 PM

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    Paul,

    Unfortunately there is not currently a way to do this, but it's a great great idea. I'll definitely add it to the request list. If you have dimensions for this usage, we might be able to add them directly into the app for a future update, which would be much faster than adding this custom feature. Let me know, thanks!

  2. Gedeon closed this discussion on 21 Feb, 2012 03:08 PM.

  3. Paul Costen re-opened this discussion on 21 Feb, 2012 06:27 PM

  4. 2 Posted by Paul Costen on 21 Feb, 2012 06:27 PM

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    for 1080—action safe is 1440x976 and 1296x870 for title safe.

    See this page for a rough description

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  5. Support Staff 3 Posted by craig on 21 Feb, 2012 07:05 PM

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    Paul, the link didn't come through on your last message. I'd like to learn more about the center cut safe rules before implementing the features, so seeing this page would be really helpful.

  6. 4 Posted by Paul Costen on 21 Feb, 2012 07:09 PM

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    Appologies.

    http://help.adobe.com/en_US/aftereffects/cs/using/WSA964B7EB-1AD1-489a-AEC1-2E8E92172D35.html

    See the section entitled "About title-safe and action-safe zones"

    Center cut zones show what those with 4:3 TVs will see if content is broadcast wihtout letterboxing. I have to design all my commercials with this in mind.

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  7. Support Staff 5 Posted by craig on 21 Feb, 2012 08:22 PM

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    Thanks Paul, that's exactly what I needed.

    In looking over the numbers, some don't quite jibe with the ones you've quoted: "for 1080—action safe is 1440x976 and 1296x870 for title safe."

    Adobe is saying that the center-cut width margin for action is 32.5%. For a 1920 x 1080 display, that works out to 1296 pixels (1920 x 67.5% = 1296), not the 1440 you're using. It looks like you're using 25% instead (1920 x 75% = 1440).

    The same is true for the center-cut title margins: you're quoting 1296 (which is 32.5%) and Adobe is saying that 40% is the target (or 1152 pixels.)

    I know there are a lot of differing opinions about these values, but the ones we us in xScope come from the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscan#Overscan_amounts -- we're using the BBC's published recommendations.

    The BBC's "4:3 (displayed on 16:9)" in the table work out to center-cuts of 30% for action safe and 35% for title safe. So who should we believe -- you (25%/32.5%), Adobe (32.5%/40%) or the BBC (30%/35%) ? Not being a video editor, I don't have any idea :-)

  8. 6 Posted by Paul Costen on 21 Feb, 2012 08:26 PM

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    You say the one's youre using — do you already include center cut safe margins in your 1080 and 720 presets?

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  9. Support Staff 7 Posted by Gedeon on 21 Feb, 2012 08:35 PM

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    Paul,

    yes, on the right side of the screens UI you'll see the content area checkboxes for the Action Safe and Title Safe areas for both 720 and 1080 (via the screens prefs).

    If you don't see the sidebar in screens, toggle it open with the arrow toggle icon in the upper right.

  10. 8 Posted by Paul Costen on 21 Feb, 2012 09:09 PM

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    But there's a difference between Title/Action safe and Center Cut Safe — Was bit in the ass by this once. Even if your content is well within HD widescreen title safe guides, your content still may not be viewable on NTSC 4:3 televisions.

    See the attached image capture from After Effects with xScope overlay. The inner guides are center cut safe.

    P

  11. Support Staff 9 Posted by craig on 22 Feb, 2012 12:40 AM

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    The current settings don't include center-cut safe margins. We are going to add them.

    The problem I'm having is what the margins should be: Adobe recommends different settings than the BBC (which we are using.)

    I'm going to do a build that includes both sets of recommendations and see if that fits Paul's needs.

  12. Support Staff 10 Posted by craig on 22 Feb, 2012 01:04 AM

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    Paul,

    Here's a build that adds 4:3 safe areas according to the BBC and Adobe recommendations:

    http://files.iconfactory.net/software/beta/xScope-3.1.1b1.zip

    Let us know if everything looks OK and we'll make sure it gets into the next public release. Thanks!

  13. 11 Posted by Paul Costen on 22 Feb, 2012 04:08 AM

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    Looks great. Programs like cinema 4d still don't have things like this, so it'll help me a lot.

    I was floored you sent me this; thank you.

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